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00:00:00] Recording. I'll have look, get my tea and, oh, I didn't do a test, but No, I guess that'll, that it'll be picking me up. Alright. Hello. Welcome back to another episode of The Nuanced Naturopaths. Yay. We're back. I'm Karinda. I'm Julie and we are naturopaths and we're nuanced. And we talk a lot. And we talk a lot. And it's been a while since we've talked a lot, so we are really excited to talk a lot.
[00:00:27] Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, do we just drive? We just dive straight in. I think
[00:00:32] we don't explain why we've been gone. Oh. Because we've
[00:00:36] been busy. Because we've been busy. But like we thank you to anyone who came and tuned into our vi herbs talk. Yeah. Because I know we had, uh, some naturopaths that follow us on Instagram. Thank you for following us. Thank you for following us. And thank you for coming to the talk. Um, we are in the process of working on something that we can provide to anyone listening, um, [00:01:00] sort of within our own realm.
[00:01:02] Um, stay tuned. We're always saying stay tuned. We, I, I feel sorry for these people. Yeah. We're always like, we are working on something. Don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like, let us know your email, we'll keep you posted and, and then life happens. And that's the short of it. Okay. Life happens. Yeah.
[00:01:15] Yeah. And women are busy.
[00:01:16] But stay tuned because sometimes things actually come to fruition. Yes.
[00:01:21] And you don't
[00:01:22] wanna miss out and you don't wanna miss out.
[00:01:23] And like, we've really hit our, so if you, if you did miss our Vic herbs talk, it was all about returning to our natural rhythm. Mm-hmm. It was all about diving deep into circadian rhythm, which has come to be rightfully so,
[00:01:36] I think one of our favorite
[00:01:37] Yeah.
[00:01:38] Topics. And, and so that's, that's sort of what we're working on behind the scenes as well, because we've realized there is nothing that we treat, there is, there is no condition or symptom or kind of person that we treat, where the circadian rhythm won't be relevant. Yeah.
[00:01:52] Yeah. It's so universal. Oh my God. First thing we can talk about on the podcast actually is, uh, 26th of August. I'm gonna remember [00:02:00] that is a photo I nabbed today while I was driving home. Yes. Because get this Julie, here, I'll, I'll zoom in on it and I'll let you Oh, do need a glass? I'll let you read it out on.
[00:02:11] All right. Read what the back of that ute says.
[00:02:16] Adding daylight to life. That's fabulous. No, no, no, no,
[00:02:21] no. Okay, so I, okay. No, no. Sorry. You can have the reaction you wanna have. That's what it says. That is what it says. Yeah. Yes. That is what it says. So for context, this is, I, I'll add the picture here in the middle of the screen.
[00:02:32] Now. It's a picture of a ute I saw on the freeway, and it's a, A skylight company. Yes. And said, adding daylight to life. And what that highlighted for me was how disconnected we've come to daylight. We have to have daylight added back, added back into our life. And the fact that that is a plausible marketing Yeah.
[00:02:57] Slogan. I just thought, I was like, it was one of those [00:03:00] moments of like, it's funny, but almost like sad, funny, like, wow, we have. It's daylight and life are now two things that can be so separated. Yeah. That we can use a sentence that's like, oh, okay. Time. Time to merge them back together. Yeah. Light is life.
[00:03:19] That's right.
[00:03:21] So that was why. Wow. And then this is a full circle moment for me. Yeah. Yeah. Because I been in a past life before being an energy, before being an energy rater. Before being a n naturopath I was an energy rate.
[00:03:36] Yes, you were.
[00:03:37] And skylights were something that frequently people would install in their houses.
[00:03:44] Mm. To add daylight to their life. Mm. Um, that would compromise an energy rating. Wow. Oh, there's more heat. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, yeah. More heat loss or game or added Yeah. Depending on, on the season depend. Depending on the season. Yeah. [00:04:00] Um. Yeah, there's heaps of things that compromise a house's energy efficiency that improve its sustainability and thermal performance.
[00:04:09] Yeah. Anyway, that's an aside. Probably not relevant. Good aside. Good aside though.
[00:04:15] So anyway, so that's a bit of context of where we've been. Yes. I'm going, this is a video I recorded on the 26th of August of this year. And we are, for context, we're recording this on Friday the 14th of November, 2025. So we've got a backlog of things, rest assured.
[00:04:33] Um, this was an ad that popped up for me, uh, on Instagram back, back in August and I screen recorded it 'cause I was like, oh, Julie and I can so riff on this. So let's just play let, it's 47 seconds. Okay. So I'll play all of it and then we can replay parts if we want to like zoom in. I, my Okay. My prediction.
[00:04:55] Is that you are gonna hear this and, and it's gonna finish and you're gonna be like, [00:05:00] where do I start? That's, that's, that's my prediction. Okay. Um, for context, this is an ad for Iub, right? Do I need to disclose anything? Um, I actually, I have an affiliate link for Iub. Do you? Yeah, I do be because I have clients in the States.
[00:05:15] Okay. Alright. And I would rather use I Herb than Amazon.
[00:05:18] Yep. Even though you
[00:05:19] can get everything off Amazon. I just, and I, herb honestly was one of the shops, online shops that really helped my path into herbal medicine. When I was first studying at uni. Oh. I would buy so much. Really? Yeah. Because it was like it was cheaper than other places you could get it.
[00:05:37] There was so much brand Yeah. Um, access. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but there's a reason it's cheap. I know. Well, well no, well look, they stock
[00:05:45] Thorn. Yeah, true. They do. They do stock some If you did know what you were buying. Exactly. And you are just saying, oh, my naturopath prescribed this and it's this price. I could just get it off I Herb for half the price.
[00:05:59] Yeah. [00:06:00] There's a reason for that.
[00:06:01] Yes. And it's like, oh, that seems similar enough. You know? Yeah. Um, so I definitely don't recommend navigating I Herb by yourself. So Yeah. When I use it, I'm telling people, here's the link for this product. Here's the link for this product. Yeah. Like a prescription. Yeah. I just need to trust them that that's what they'll buy.
[00:06:18] And they're not gonna stray too far from that or stray from it at all, but each to their own. Okay. Yeah. I'll play this and I'll future NDA can figure out how to edit the video in.
[00:06:29] So presumably an ad from the States for I heard. Yeah,
[00:06:33] yeah. Yep. Right.
[00:06:34] Okay.
[00:06:34] Nature's best agent to reduce cortisol, thymoquin, the gold standard in black seed oil nature is ibuprofen.
[00:06:41] They curin the best form of curcumin. Nature's metformin, berberine. It also lowers blood pressure and cholesterol levels. Nature's laxative. That's easy. Prunes. Nature's decongest. I'll give you two n-acetylcysteine and bromelain. Nature's ozempic. I like PGX. The best. Nature's answer to high blood pressure. Grape [00:07:00] seed extract 300 milligrams per day.
[00:07:02] Nature's answer to stress. KSM 66, ashwagandha. Nature's Nexium. mastic gum. Nature's c Claritin, quercetin, especially the lipo cell or phytosome form. nature's antidepressant, I'll go with creatine.
[00:07:15] So
[00:07:20] does that not feel like nuanced naturopath's bait? Yep. Like how can we, we cannot stand idly by.
[00:07:30] I, yeah, I don't know where to start because, because in every single one of those answers there, there is nuance and, and it's not holistic and it's not person centered.
[00:07:46] Mm-hmm.
[00:07:46] And it's not, it's not mentioning that, you know, medications and supplements can interact.
[00:07:53] Yep.
[00:07:55] What dosage are we talking about for those conditions? Yeah.
[00:07:58] Yeah. Because he did throw out [00:08:00] some dosages, but it's like, well, it's like, hang on. You can't, it's not a one size fits all dosage. No. Yeah. I'm, do you know what I feel like we could do, I mean say more if, if you feel called to say more, but I, I would be happy to sort of go through each of them and maybe say what, where we would use those products.
[00:08:19] And then also just, uh, add, add a holistic twist on each of those things and go, hang on, here's why one product isn't gonna just cure that thing. Yeah, yeah, sure. So nature's cortisol reduce up. And I, or I think when I first recorded this, I felt conflicted because wording things as like nature's something Yeah.
[00:08:41] Nature's version of appeals to me, it, it speaks to a very core part of me. Uh, maybe a younger part of me that was really interested in like home remedies and stuff, but, and natural recipes before I even started my naturopathy degree. So I do feel torn because I'm like, [00:09:00] yes, nature does have a pharmacy and
[00:09:03] you know, and it does, but it's, but it, but when we are talking about pharmaceuticals, we're talk, we are often talking about a single molecule.
[00:09:12] Yeah.
[00:09:12] For a single action.
[00:09:14] Yeah.
[00:09:16] Where these remedies have multiple actions and multiple molecules depending on which one it is. Yeah,
[00:09:26] yeah.
[00:09:26] And it's just not that simple. Yeah. And this is the, this is the thing, and I, and I think I've said this in lots of episodes, where people are always trying to find simple answers to complex problems.
[00:09:40] Mm-hmm. And that's a simple answer. Yes. Nature's version of that, therefore healthier,
[00:09:46] right? Yes, yes, yes. Um, yes. And that's such a good point. And that's where I feel split. Yeah. Because I, because a part of me hears, that goes, yes! Nature does provide! Another part of me. Here's that goes, oh God, that's way too simple.
[00:09:58] Yeah. That is a black and white answer for a very [00:10:00] gray question, guys. Come on. Yeah. And if you haven't listened to our recent ish episode on, seeking simple answers for complex issues or simplifying.
[00:10:10] Yeah. Complex. Or, or, or our episode on, on supplements.
[00:10:13] Yes. Yeah. I'll, I will, uh, post the, bump them in the show notes.
[00:10:17] Yeah. Um, because they're really good concepts for anyone if you are helping people on their healing journey or you yourself are on your own kind of healing journey. I think it's just really good stuff to sort of like get, get in the brain. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. So, oh, that's right. Okay. So the first one he mentions nature's cortisol reducer.
[00:10:37] I've already got one layer of nuance. Yeah. Thy a Quinn, which he said is the gold standard for black seed oil, which I had to look up. And the first link that came up when I Googled it was an I herb link. Um, black seed oil, black seed oil. That just takes me back to COVID Times in Australia. Oh, yeah. Now I don't know if that, I don't know if that [00:11:00] was beyond Australia. Surely it started in America and then trickled to Australia in terms of people hearing about it as a remedy. But, um, just as like a anti wait, black seeded oil. No. Am I getting mixed up?
[00:11:11] No.
[00:11:12] Jealousy seed, black seed.
[00:11:13] Yeah. But what am I, am I getting that mixed up with black walnut? No,
[00:11:20] no, no, no, no.
[00:11:21] Black seed oil was
[00:11:22] the thing that people, black seed oil was the thing. Remember in Botanica it was, that was the thing. We couldn't keep it on the shelves. It was that and Quercetin. Quercetin. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
[00:11:31] NAC. Some people were onto the
[00:11:32] NAC n-acetyl cysteine, two things he mentions. People come
[00:11:34] in in asking for things that they'd never heard of before. Yeah. And it was like en masse. Yeah.
[00:11:41] Yep. Yeah. Um, and I wonder what. I'm gonna just click a product here because Thymo Quinn, usually if something, a natural product has a name like that and I'll definitely be able to say more about it when it gets to the ashwagandha, which was like the KSM 66.
[00:11:57] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like yeah. It usually means that a part of it. [00:12:00] Yeah. It's either been standardized or it's like a patent, like it's, I don't know. It's a proprietary product. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a specific, they might use a patented extraction method for that specific plant. Yep. Uh, so I'm just gonna see if this comes up.
[00:12:15] Yeah. Thy quinone and tq 48 milligrams. Oh, okay. So five XTQ black cumin seed oil. Okay. Interesting. So thy quinone, have you heard of that? No. So that's just a component. That's just a component that's within, that
[00:12:31] sounds like a. Oh, it's not a, it's not a brand name.
[00:12:35] No, no, no, no. It's a chemical compound. It's a phytochemical compound found in the plant.
[00:12:40] Nigella Sativa.
[00:12:41] Oh, right, okay.
[00:12:42] Now that was a bit bit of a ramble.
[00:12:47] Nature's cortisol reducer. Shall we remind the people? Shall we remind everyone and ourselves that cortisol reduction [00:13:00] isn't necessarily the end goal? Dare I say, even if we tested someone's cortisol levels and they were high. Yeah. I, yeah. What, what, I have things to say, but what comes to your mind?
[00:13:14] Well, my first thought is, um, you, you've got to be careful because people go through this.
[00:13:21] They, they will go through a, a period of having very elevated cortisol and then it'll drop off.
[00:13:26] Yeah.
[00:13:27] Because they, they're, uh, adrenally depleted. I, I don't like using that term. I know, but it, but, but you, your adrenal glands lose the ability to produce cortisol in that quantity.
[00:13:42] Yeah.
[00:13:43] That's it. It just, bringing the cortisol down is not addressing the root of the problem.
[00:13:48] Yeah.
[00:13:49] So there's that. Right? Yeah. Go on. I can see you are busting to say something
[00:13:57] now it's all jumbled up and nothing's gonna come out clear. [00:14:00] Um.
[00:14:04] Remembering that stress and the function of the adrenal glands and the HPA axis. So, you know, um, uh, hypothalamus, pituitary gland, adrenal glands, that, that, that is like the, the main system, the main circuitry we have for our stress response. Our stress response is an adaptation response. Yeah. So our, our body is producing higher amounts of cortisol for a reason.
[00:14:32] So, like you said, just reducing that isn't addressing the root cause necessarily. We need to go back a step, hang on. What is driving that cortisol up? And because it's an adaptation response, the cortisol, the higher cortisol is serving a function and there will be different. Different symptoms that come up, depending on whether cortisol is like acutely high for a short period of time.
[00:14:56] That's usually really important for, [00:15:00] um, short phase, short bursts of inflammation. If, if there's been an injury or an illness or a really like acute, short-term stressful thing or kind of crisis, cortisol will go up and it, and it's serving a purpose. It's helping that stress response. The other picture that we can see is that it's kind of like chronically high, not as high as an acute response would get for cortisol, but it's like chronically high and that's where people can tip into the depleted picture after enough time of that.
[00:15:29] Yeah. So it's not just about reducing cortisol? No, cortisol is important. One of those thing, I guess similar to how people sort of curse off inflammation for everything. Um, inflammation isn't the devil. Cortisol isn't the devil.
[00:15:46] Stress is not the devil either. Stress is not the devil. Great. They're all processes that, that peak and resolve.
[00:15:52] Yes. And it's, it's, the problem is when these things don't peak enough
[00:15:58] Yeah.
[00:15:59] To trigger [00:16:00] the resolving process or don't, don't resolve for another reason. Yeah. And they just continue on.
[00:16:07] Yeah.
[00:16:08] That's when it's a problem.
[00:16:09] Yeah. And that's what needs to be investigated. Understood. Yes. And that's treatment needs to be based on the answers that you get from that investigation.
[00:16:17] Yes. That's don't just take a pill for it.
[00:16:21] That's it. So that's what I think, that's all I have to say about cortisol. And, and do you know what, even if I was in the realm of, oh, we've gotta get this cortisol down. Yeah. Or, or rebalanced is probably a better word.
[00:16:33] Black seed oil is not. Yeah. That's not the one that I'd go for.
[00:16:38] It's really, it's really interesting. Um, so what would you prescribe black? Have you prescribed black seed oil?
[00:16:46] No, I've got nothing to say on
[00:16:47] that. I think, I think I, I think I made in COVID times, you know, when I was Yes. I was making a lot of things. Yeah. I think I used black seed oil in, in one of the [00:17:00] formulations.
[00:17:00] Yeah. Um, just because it, it, you know, it interested me and I hadn't used it. Yeah. But other than that, I've never really prescribed it myself. Um, but I've, I've got it some actions here in front of me. Oh. Shall we,
[00:17:14] shall we riff some off? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because I, because I know it is useful. I know. Our lack of using it may just reflect more about our own training and experiences, rather than it not being useful for things.
[00:17:28] Yeah,
[00:17:29] yeah, yeah. Which, which reminds me on another point. Yeah. Um, somebody said to me, they told me about a, a herbal remedy that I had never heard of. Mm. And they're like, oh, I thought you'd know all about that. Yeah. You are a naturopath.
[00:17:42] Yeah.
[00:17:43] And my response to that is there are tens of thousands of herbs that can be used in western herbal medicine.
[00:17:53] Yeah.
[00:17:54] Let alone the rest of the traditional medicine practices.
[00:17:58] Yeah.
[00:17:59] It's [00:18:00] not possible to know them all.
[00:18:01] No.
[00:18:02] So if we are not using black seed oil. And, um, it just means that that's not one that we use. Exactly. Because there are plenty of others that do that have the same actions. Exactly.
[00:18:14] Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, and different schools of thought, different, uh, modalities of training using different herbs from different parts of the world.
[00:18:20] Like from different
[00:18:20] parts of the world. Yeah,
[00:18:21] yeah, yeah.
[00:18:22] So actions are anti-diabetic.
[00:18:26] Oh, yep. That was a big one. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:18:29] Anti-cancer.
[00:18:31] Which, which,
[00:18:32] that's
[00:18:32] a term I don't like. No, neither. And to clarify that, a lot of, whenever that comes up as an action for a herb, if you go back to the source, what you'll usually find is, um, cell studies or animal studies where there was maybe tumor reduced tumor progression or, so yeah, let's think about what part of the body are we talking about?
[00:18:59] What [00:19:00] kind of tumor, you know, to say anti-cancer. Yeah. Cancer isn't just one thing. And I don't know if that's a hot take or a strong take. I don't know. But I I don't think cancer is just one thing. No, no, no. It's not.
[00:19:10] It's, it's as different as the cells that it resides in. Yes. You know, as the tissues that it resides in.
[00:19:16] Yeah. And, and what the driver is behind the cancer. But one thing that is common to them all mm-hmm, is cell proliferation. Yep. Tumor formation. Yep. Often I think, unless it's a blood cancer. Oh, true. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um, and angiogenesis. So the, the ability to grow its own blood supply
[00:19:40] Yep.
[00:19:40] Very rapidly.
[00:19:41] Yep.
[00:19:42] And that's how it, and yeah. And so diff it, gets fueled, different anti-cancer herbs may have different combinations of those actions. Yes. They might reduce the angiogenesis. They might, uh, suppress tumor formation.
[00:19:57] Yep.
[00:19:57] Or they might, um, the other thing is that they [00:20:00] might increase their. Um, the oncogenes.
[00:20:04] Yeah.
[00:20:04] Yeah. That can, that are able to better detect Yeah. Because like cancerous cells and Yeah.
[00:20:09] Because we all Oh, freak everybody out. They have done autopsies on people that have died of other things and discovered that they've got cancers in them because we can resolve cancers in the body. Mm-hmm. We have a natural ability to do that.
[00:20:24] Mm-hmm. But it's when that system goes wrong that we, uh, can develop cancers.
[00:20:31] Yeah. So, and that becomes symptomatic and, and problematic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, other actions. Other actions. Analgesic. Oh, okay. Didn't know that. Didn't know that either. Yeah. No. So that's pain relief. Yeah.
[00:20:44] Yeah. Uh, antimicrobial.
[00:20:46] Yeah. Every, a lot of them are antimicrobial. Yeah. And. Then we ask the question, which microbes?
[00:20:53] Yeah.
[00:20:53] Is it, is it, and do we want that? Do we want that? Yeah. Yeah. And is it, is it a broad spectrum antimicrobial? It'll [00:21:00] kill off all of the bugs in your gut.
[00:21:02] Mm-hmm. Or
[00:21:04] does it target just some of them?
[00:21:05] Yeah.
[00:21:06] Are they the good one?
[00:21:07] You know, good versus bad? Yeah. Nuance!. Um, bronchodilator. So, no, that rings a bell.
[00:21:16] Oh. And that, and that probably rings a bell from COVID times. Yeah. Where everyone was worried about, um, O2 saturation and, um, that constriction of, of the bronchioles, the, the, the airway tissue that a lot of people were experiencing as a symptom either during or like post COVID, like that airway.
[00:21:34] Oh yeah. Which can feel awful. And also in, um, asthma formulations that I've done. Yes. That's where it has come into play. Yes. Yep. Yes.
[00:21:43] Uh, gastroprotective.
[00:21:45] Mm-hmm.
[00:21:45] That's interesting, given it's antimicrobial.
[00:21:48] Yeah. Gastro
[00:21:48] protect also gastroprotective, which part of the gastrointestinal system. Vague. Yeah.
[00:21:55] Yeah. Um, hepatoprotective. Mm-hmm. Well, we understand what that is because that's [00:22:00] then supporting the, the, the cells of the liver. Yeah. Um, Reno Protective, so kidneys nice. Um, protective of the kidneys. That makes me wonder, with those three together, whether the action is actually more about microcirculation, because that would check out with those three actions.
[00:22:23] It would be if it was supportive to those tiny, tiny little vessels mm-hmm. That we have in the gastrointestinal system, in the liver, in the kidneys particularly. Mm-hmm. Then that would be something that's really beneficial.
[00:22:40] And what could help with microcirculation and what helps with like blood and heart, cardiovascular system in general is Omega-3.
[00:22:49] Yeah. And that is one of the constituents in black seeded oil. Right. As well as omega six and omega nine. It does, it confer those benefits because it [00:23:00] has a particular fatty acid profile?
[00:23:03] Can I throw a cat amongst the pigeons there? Sure. And ask the question. Yeah. What proportions of omega threes to omega six and nine does it have Because they share an enzyme.
[00:23:13] Mm. And if the conversion, uh, is predominantly on the six and nine side, then you're not gonna get the three.
[00:23:23] Yep.
[00:23:24] So it might be present. This is, this is like the dairy calcium discussion. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It might be. It's there but you can't have it. Is your body
[00:23:31] using it? Yeah. Yeah. And just to put that into context, so in, in this specific unbranded, like I'm not listing the brand, um, in a virgin, unrefined virgin black cumin seed oil.
[00:23:42] Nigella sativa, uh, in five grams of that oil, there is a 2.5 milligrams of Omega-3. 580 milligrams of omega six uhhuh and 220 milligrams of omega nine.
[00:23:56] Okay. So we've ignored the Omega-3 that's in there. [00:24:00]
[00:24:01] Okay. Alright. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's how one, that is how nutritional biochemistry works. It is.
[00:24:07] There are pathways and they have rules
[00:24:08] there. They have pathways, they have limited enzymes. Yep. If that enzyme is busy breaking down all of the six and nine there is, there's, there's none there for the Omega-3.
[00:24:18] Yep.
[00:24:18] And we could then further say, how stable is this product? Yeah.
[00:24:24] Oh, okay.
[00:24:25] Is an Omega-3 rabbit hole?
[00:24:27] Well no, it's a, I'm just, you know, it, it's the nuance of this product True. Is that, you know, this and, and it's being sold on I Herb, so I, maybe I have a bias. Yep. But I kind of think, uh, it's not approved by the tga, so the quality may not be as good as, as what we would buy in Australia.
[00:24:45] Yep.
[00:24:46] If the product is not, uh, um, stabilized in some way.
[00:24:53] Mm-hmm. It's got these beautiful oils in there, but oils oxidized. Yep.
[00:24:57] Same with like, uh, I would feel for [00:25:00] people buying heaps of, um, flaxseed oil.
[00:25:03] Oh God. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:25:04] Any oil. Yeah. That's, I think that's just a great caveat to consider with any oil. Yeah. Um, especially one that's promoted for fish oil. Sorry, I do that.
[00:25:13] Sorry, I do that in relation to the brands. Uh, you know, the real cheap, the big tubs chemist. Yeah, yeah,
[00:25:24] yeah, yeah.
[00:25:25] Oils oxidize.
[00:25:27] Yeah.
[00:25:27] Good to remember. And, and I'm, I'm happy to leave it there. Do you wanna hear in order to not,
[00:25:33] do you wanna hear a horror story? Oh, we might have mentioned, um, we might have mentioned it in the past episode.
[00:25:39] friend of mine many years ago used to work on a fishing trawler, and it was 30, 30 odd, more than 30 years ago. Yeah. Um, and one of the things that the captain of the ship would do, just a little fishing boat in Northern Queensland, is that, um, if they caught a shark or, you [00:26:00] know, got caught up in the net, lot of bycatch, whole other conversation, think about your seafood and where it comes from.
[00:26:07] Um, but if they caught a shark, he would cut the liver out and he would throw it on the, the roof of the boat.
[00:26:14] Mm-hmm.
[00:26:15] And it had a, like a corrugated iron roof on it.
[00:26:18] Yeah.
[00:26:19] And then he'd hang a bucket off it, and then the sun would make the fat melt in the shark liver and it would go down into the bucket and he would sell that.
[00:26:31] It was like shark liver oil as shark liver oil, like co liver oil. Yeah. That's another pop. How oxidized would, I mean, that's, that doesn't even make it to the, to the packaging in a form that's not oxidized. But, but you, I mean, fish oils must by law be cleaned. Yeah. But [00:27:00] are they checked for oxidation?
[00:27:02] No. I think some companies do use third party testing for that, but it's certainly not across the board that all are being checked for.
[00:27:10] And you can't just add an antioxidant.
[00:27:12] No. Some try that.
[00:27:13] Yeah.
[00:27:14] But not, and that's
[00:27:15] why we spend the big bucks on fish oil.
[00:27:18] Yeah. Yep. So if we add fish oil to your prescription, which I, I. Has so many benefits. Lots of evidence on fish oil. There is. Yeah. Um, but yeah, if we add fish oil to your prescriptions and you're like, what?
[00:27:33] You see the price and you're like, ah, it, it's, it's that good. We don't wanna fill up the crap oxidized crap and then give your liver more to process and then your whole body ends up having a harder time and, and it's drawing on your antioxidant systems and yeah, no, no, no, we don't want
[00:27:49] that. Or you could have three serves of oily fish, smash, smash, snap sine.[00:28:00]
[00:28:01] Okay. Sine sine mackerel, mackerel, anchovies, salmon, wild caught harrying and hering. Yes. Clip it clipper. Um, they're the best fish to have in terms of. Fishing su sustainability. Yes. But also in terms of Omega-3 profiles. Yeah. Smaller, oily fish are the ones you wanna go for. Not the flake from the fish and chip shop.
[00:28:28] Unfortunately,
[00:28:30] no. Not the flake from fish and chip shop, because that's often not the gummy shark that it's supposed to be. It's the ones that are endangered and, and that's Sharks are already in trouble. Yeah. So many issues we're covering here. So
[00:28:48] many issues. Just from
[00:28:49] a guy just, and we we're just still on the first one.
[00:28:52] I know. I know. Alright, we can. Alright. What's next? Okay. Um, and we said everything we need to say about, [00:29:00]
[00:29:00] oh, even if we haven't, I think. Okay. Yeah. Because o otherwise this episode's just gonna be so long. Yeah, true. Alright. Um, nature's ibuprofen, theracurmin. So theracurmin being, that's a patented Yes. theracurmin is not a constituent of.
[00:29:18] Turmeric. It is a patented extract of turmeric or curcumin. Yeah. Well, sorry, not all curcumin. We did, we covered that in one of the early episodes. Curcumin is a constituent in the turmeric plant. Some products you buy are like extracts of curcumin and it's, it's more like concentrated, you know, standardized
[00:29:38] and
[00:29:38] Yeah.
[00:29:38] Yeah. Whereas other, um, other ones are more of the whole turmeric
[00:29:43] plant. Yeah. Yeah. And it should, it should be noted, and I, we probably said this in the previous ex episode, uh, that there are multiple curcuminoids
[00:29:52] Yes.
[00:29:53] In turmeric.
[00:29:54] Yes.
[00:29:55] Kirk Human is the only one that's been studied. It's been studied [00:30:00] extensively, yes.
[00:30:01] But it's the only one that's really been studied. And so because of that, there's this perception that it's the. Best one. Yeah. And that's not necessarily true. No. We don't really know exactly. 'cause the others haven't been researched to that level. Exactly.
[00:30:16] And, and the thing that I've come back to just over the years is that whole plants do a really wonderful job.
[00:30:23] And I The plant is, the plant is in the form that it is in for a reason. Yeah. I believe if it's something that we know has medicinal properties, whether that's based on traditional or modern evidence, and it comes in the form of a plant, I believe Yes. There is importance to that whole package. Yes. And we don't need to be picking apart trying to make it into a drug.
[00:30:45] Yeah. Yeah. Which I get why I get, that's how the system thinks, but
[00:30:50] Well, but the reason they do that is because they can patent. A process. Right. You can't patent a herb. Yeah. But you can paint in a process [00:31:00] mm-hmm. That extracts a particular constituent.
[00:31:03] Mm-hmm.
[00:31:03] And then call it your own, and that way you can make money Yeah.
[00:31:07] For the research that you've done. Yep. On your standardized product. Yep. Yeah.
[00:31:11] There you go. That's how it works. So yeah, thera Cumin, uh, is an extract, a curcumin extract from turmeric. Um, there's apparently 30 milligrams of it, but it's all proprietary blends. Um, and then they stipulate a highly bioavailable form of curcumin, the most active curcuminoid in turmeric.
[00:31:29] But as Julie said, the most active No, just like the one that we, the one that we know of. Yeah. Like the one that we have studied the most
[00:31:36] and there's more than one turmeric. Yes. Yeah. As I discovered in Bali. Yes. Oh my God. Like, go to Southeast Asia and there's black turmeric and white turmeric. Yeah. Teac.
[00:31:47] And, and they would all have
[00:31:48] different profiles of their constituents for different benefits. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So. Coming back to it being nature's I, nature's
[00:31:57] ibuprofen. [00:32:00] Oh my God. Like why does nature want to be an ibuprofen?
[00:32:04] I mean Yeah, I was thinking, I was thinking that because Ibuprofen is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug.
[00:32:13] Yeah. Okay. All right. Turmeric. Okay. Turmeric does have pain relief, relieving effects. Yes. Antiplatelet, yes. Activity. Yes. Which can often help with symptoms that you would reach ibuprofen for, Neurophin. Yep. Depending on where you're listening to this.
[00:32:30] Um. Can help with, yeah. Can help with the joint complaints, the pain, you know, the achy, you know,
[00:32:37] it doesn't it, but it's not even the same method of action. Not at all. As I, as ibuprofen. Not at all. And therefore won't do damage to your, um, your stomach lining. And thank goodness. Yeah. Thank goodness. So you, you are always gonna be better off to have turmeric than ibuprofen.
[00:32:55] Ibuprofen. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Um, I mean, and you [00:33:00] get so many other actions from it as well. Yeah. You know, it's antioxidant and it's, it supports the liver. And if you've been taking other medications because you've got an injury
[00:33:10] mm-hmm.
[00:33:12] Your liver needs some love.
[00:33:13] Yeah. And your liver does not need ibuprofen to process.
[00:33:16] No, it doesn't. Yeah. So I would, yeah. If you've got a headache or a, you know, and turmeric being like a, a medicinal food as well, that's, that's one that's easy to incorporate in a lot of safe ways without having to like, you know. Go, go ham on the dosage. Yeah. Okay. Make some Jammu. Make some jammu. And because she's, I'm such, I'm a Jammu pusher.
[00:33:41] Oh, I know. And because Julie said that, I'm gonna link the Jammu episode that we did, because if you haven't heard of Jammu, you need to know about it. God, I almost wanna skip the next one because we'll just have too much to say. What is it? Go on. Nature's metformin, berberine.
[00:33:58] Berberine being a [00:34:00] constituent. Yep. One that I think has gotten wildly blown Out of all proportion. Out of proportion. Like as this, like anti-diabetic mostly. Yeah. Mostly when it comes to diabetes.
[00:34:14] Yeah. I mean, it, it really does have those actions. Yes. You know, it, it, it is, it is really great for metabolic conditions.
[00:34:21] Yeah.
[00:34:21] But but
[00:34:24] taken long term, it can do damage to your, your microbiome. Yeah. Which can have metabolic implications. Yeah. Um, I just, I just don't like that. It's so, it's such a fad. It
[00:34:40] it, it is such a fad. Yeah. And I remember people would come into the health food store being like, do you have this? And I'm like, we don't sell Berberine as a product, but we sell products that contain herbs that, that are rich in berberine.
[00:34:53] And people would be like, well, just gimme your strongest one. I'd be like, oh, okay. He's phellodendron. You know?[00:35:00]
[00:35:01] And that was, that was back in 2017. Was I, I would say berberine. Yeah. If we look at like the Google trending of like how often that was searched. It was just starting then. I, my brain goes, okay, if there's a really severe case of type two diabetes mellitus and you've got someone who's really motivated to make change but really wants to come off Metformin, maybe they're on other medications as well that they want to come off on.
[00:35:29] Uh, maybe it's a severe case. Maybe it's a chronic case. Maybe they've tried a lot of, uh, less intense remedies. I would consider Berberine as part of a really short term controlled protocol. Mm-hmm. I think dosage matters. We don't wanna bomb the gut. It is gonna have an impact on the microbiome. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:35:46] Um, well you could, you can pulse it Yeah. But do
[00:35:50] it under, but do it under the supervision of a
[00:35:52] practitioner. Yes. Yeah. Where turmeric is one where I'm more encouraging. I was like, yeah, try it as a tea. Try it in your cooking. Try it as a [00:36:00] food. Berberine is like, don't wander into that territory. Yeah. By yourself.
[00:36:05] You really have to know what you're doing, um,
[00:36:07] to make
[00:36:07] sure you don't have unwanted gut side effects.
[00:36:10] Also, there are other. Like, um, Metformin was extracted originally from Goat Rue. Yes. Another, a herb. The, yeah. Yeah. So, so, you know, there are other herbs which are antidiabetic. Yeah. Um, and not just herbs.
[00:36:27] There are other supplements. You know, we, um, there's anno ol, yeah. Yeah's, um, this, uh, cinnamon. Yeah. There's, uh, bitter melon. Yeah. Um, chromium. Chromium as a nutrient. Yeah. Yeah. For
[00:36:40] any, for insulin, um, receptors. Yeah. Yeah. So there's so much. And so when I see Berberine, like it's honestly the last thing I, there's so many things we can do.
[00:36:50] Yeah. Um, for diabetics, for blood sugar regulation, for insulin resistance before going to that. Yeah. Um, and also for weight loss. 'cause I know a lot of people would have berberine on [00:37:00] there. Uh, maybe in terms of what they've read or seen on the internet, it would be coming up for weight loss a lot.
[00:37:04] Yeah.
[00:37:04] Yeah. Nature's laxative, which might be the only one I agree with. Yeah. Prunes. Prunes. Yeah. Yeah, prunes are great. That's a whole food. I mean, yes. It's processed, it's dry, it's dried. Yep. Um. What else do we recommend for constipation as far as na nature's version? Well,
[00:37:22] the
[00:37:22] first thing is,
[00:37:23] are you hydrated?
[00:37:24] Oh, great.
[00:37:25] Great question. I thought you gonna, 'cause if
[00:37:27] you are not hydrated, then I don't want to talk about anything else until we've, we've, you know, fixed that problem.
[00:37:34] Yeah, and I like to bring it back to hydration from the Ayurvedic medicine perspective is a balance of water and oil. And in my naturopathic perspective, hydration is not just pure water.
[00:37:48] It's about the minerals, the mineral balance. Electrolyte balance as well.
[00:37:52] Yeah. It's
[00:37:53] not just about chugging heaps of water a day. It's about, and from the Chinese medicine perspective, it's about cooking water [00:38:00] into foods. Yes. Because they can have a whole different action than again, just drinking pure water.
[00:38:05] Pure water at best. But I mean, we know most people are drinking tap water or bottled water, you know?
[00:38:11] Yeah.
[00:38:11] Hydration. Asterisk.
[00:38:13] Yeah. Yeah. Hydro clean, filtered water. Yeah, yeah,
[00:38:18] yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:38:19] Um, and even then with a pinch of salt. With a pinch of salt, have some coconut water sometimes. Yeah. And when we say salt, we mean, we mean Celtic salt or Himalayan salt.
[00:38:28] The full profile, not just neat sodium chloride, which is the problem because it's in fast food and people are getting that in high doses. And that's why salt's being called the bad guy. But salt is not the bad guy. Sodium, we could do a whole podcast on salt.
[00:38:44] Yeah. I love how we just went. Hydration. Oh, nuance salt.
[00:38:48] Not,
[00:38:50] um, also electrolyte formulas. Yeah. There are some really shit ones out there.
[00:38:55] Yeah.
[00:38:56] There's one I had to take my patient off that [00:39:00] was very beautifully marketed. Is
[00:39:02] that that pop? Yeah. That popular brand. Like yes.
[00:39:05] That, yes. Its like four letters. Super popular with four letters and it's. Uh, sodium chloride.
[00:39:12] Yep. And not much else. Great. So if you're gonna put salt in it, put the, put the good salt in. Yeah. But, and, and yes,
[00:39:20] you do need sodium. Yes. You do need chloride. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you need magnesium and potassium as well. And, and a
[00:39:27] lot of other, and, and those things are in ratios to each other. Yeah.
[00:39:31] Yep.
[00:39:32] So, yeah.
[00:39:34] So I had to take her off that particular product. Mm. Um, which was, you know, a bit emotional. 'cause she really thought she was doing the right thing.
[00:39:45] Yeah. And,
[00:39:45] um, and she was, she was doing a good thing she was taking electrolytes. Yep. It's just that that's not a good product.
[00:39:54] Yeah. Yep. And when there are more natural ways to get it just from your own.
[00:39:59] Um, [00:40:00] choosing a good quality salt that you add to a couple of doses of your water per day, or from coconut water. Coconut water. It's such an easy Yeah, it's, it's, it's an easy way to get it in. Um, I was gonna shout out kiwi. Yeah. Because that's usually the thing that you shout out for constipation. Yeah. Um, as, as far as like supernatural.
[00:40:19] Yep. Not supernatural. Very natural things go.
[00:40:22] Yeah. Laxatives kiwi, two kiwis a day. Bonus points if you eat them with the skins on, it's not that bad.
[00:40:28] Yeah.
[00:40:29] And do you
[00:40:30] know what extra tip for, um, constipation? Squat. Squat, squat, squat. Use a squatting potty. Use a stool. Raise your feet. If you're sitting on a conventional toilet.
[00:40:43] Raise your feet, knees, above. Hips.
[00:40:47] Yeah. We used to squat before we had furniture. Yeah. Do you remember the days when we used to? Um, and also, uh, pink dragon fruit, which you can buy [00:41:00] frozen at in co little baggies in Coles. Ah,
[00:41:03] nice.
[00:41:03] Yeah. And a tea smoothie with your kiwi fruit in your prunes and like, dare I say, fruit in general.
[00:41:09] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:41:10] Can be really absolute fruit. Yeah. As far as nature's laxative goes.
[00:41:13] Well the, the, um, the acronym that Jason Lac uses that I love is theft F, so it's F-E-F-F-F-P. Five's gotta be one of fluid. Oh, fluid exercise. Oh, fiber. Yeah. Fruit. Fruit. Flax seeds, probiotic, flax seeds. Get their own shout out. Yep.
[00:41:36] Whoa. Ground flax seeds. As fresh as possible. Fresh as yourself. Given, given, given we've just, yeah. So stipulated, but it's not that hard. Yeah.
[00:41:47] Yeah.
[00:41:47] You buy the flax seeds, you grind them up. You either do it in a mortar and pestle or you could do it in a coffee grinder. Yep. They're 20 bucks in Kmart.
[00:41:54] Yep.
[00:41:55] And then once you've ground them, you put them into a, your block [00:42:00] bag.
[00:42:00] Yep.
[00:42:00] In the freezer.
[00:42:01] Yep.
[00:42:01] Beautiful. And then you scoop out what you need. Yep.
[00:42:03] Beautiful. Love it. Thank you for simplifying the complex for us, Julie. That's okay. Oh God. Do, uh, I don't have heaps to say on this one. Nature's Decongest, uh, nac.
[00:42:17] So n Acetyl Cysteine, which I feel like more mainstream people learnt about. 'cause it was covered in the Mushroom Lady case. 'cause that was what they used. It was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In, in hospital. Um, and bromelain. I wouldn't call NAC Nature's anything.
[00:42:35] Am I allowed to say that?
[00:42:36] Yeah,
[00:42:36] I think you're allowed to say
[00:42:37] that.
[00:42:37] Yeah. It's not a herbal extract. No, it's not even actually, I wonder how they do extract it or it would be synthesized it or do I go down that rabbit hole? It
[00:42:46] quite possibly is synthesized. It's, it's a form of an amino acid. Yep. The, the cystine. Cystine. Um, um, I have heard, um, [00:43:00] so one of our, um, nutraceutical companies, um, has a lot of integrity and they do webinars about their quality control, and they talked about some quality issues in some NAC products.
[00:43:18] Interesting. So, I, I would always be cautious about where you're buying your nack from and, and. I'd say buy an Australian product because TGA regulations are really, really, really stringent. Most stringent in the world. Yeah. Which means our products here are of high quality.
[00:43:34] Yeah. And it doesn't, but it also doesn't mean they're making the best decisions.
[00:43:37] No, it's true. Because think of all the medications they play, you know, with Yeah. Awful. All of the herbs that they limit with, with without due cause, without understanding
[00:43:48] the
[00:43:49] nuance. Yes. Lots of nuance when it comes to the TGA, but yeah, stringent in terms of like, you know, uh, the last thing you wanna have to worry about is like a product that you order from America.
[00:43:59] Like being [00:44:00] adulterated with like a different herb or you, or replaced or rep. Yeah. Like, yeah, no, don't want that. so yeah, be aware of where you were getting your N-Acetyl cysteine from Broma Lane found naturally in papaya, papaya, and. Pineapple. Pineapple.
[00:44:17] Sorry, not papaya. Sorry. No, because it's papain.
[00:44:20] Oh, it's papain. It's papain and bromelain. Damn. They got us both. Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry. That was my fault. So ha ha ha. Trick, trick answer. We were just
[00:44:31] making sure we were both
[00:44:32] on the ball.
[00:44:34] First podcast back in a couple months. Yes. So
[00:44:37] bromelain from pineapples, from pineapple, from predominantly in the skin and the stem, which is the part
[00:44:43] that people don't, which is maybe why they made it into an extract.
[00:44:47] But you can cut your pineapple. You cut the skin off it. Yeah. Then you just cut it in quarters and cut your slices. Yeah. So that you retain the, the little bit of the, the stem in the middle. Oh,
[00:44:56] the, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And
[00:44:57] as long as it's not a really woody [00:45:00] pineapple, you can eat that stem. Okay. How different is the taste of foods that we don't eat?
[00:45:05] Oh, it's less. It's less sweet, but it's not
[00:45:08] Oh, but it's fine. It's not
[00:45:09] unpleasant.
[00:45:10] Yeah.
[00:45:10] Okay. And you could certainly blend it up in your smoothie or something.
[00:45:13] Oh, true.
[00:45:14] That's a good idea. Okay. Yeah. Nice.
[00:45:16] Yeah. Yeah. And it's a
[00:45:18] digestive enzyme.
[00:45:19] Yes. Yeah. That was like one of the first things that was recommended to me when I first saw a naturopath for digestive support was like, eat some papaya and pineapple.
[00:45:28] And there I was a fussy eating fruit phobic teenager. Like, uh, okay guy. Sure guy. Sure.
[00:45:38] Where can I buy that in a pill?
[00:45:39] Yeah. And iHerb delivered. Um, and so they can, yeah, they can be good decongestants. I don't have much else to say about that, but root cause what's causing the congestion?
[00:45:52] Yeah. And, and also some people will have a food intolerance to pineapple.
[00:45:58] Yeah. And also have [00:46:00] r rhinosinusitis, so they might have nasal congestion because of allergies.
[00:46:04] Yep.
[00:46:05] And they eat pineapple, so not a great, you know? Yeah, yeah. Be aware of that at least. Yes.
[00:46:10] Yeah. Yeah. And I will say the most common ones I find, you know, dairy, especially in forms of dairy that have high content of the, the pro dairy proteins, wheat, gluten, we've done deep dive episodes on that, but also soy and eggs, uh, are quite com common allergens, certain nuts.
[00:46:28] Um, also your body can, um, if you are not digesting food or if your body's immune system is, uh, compromised or dealing with something, uh, another exposure or something that you are, you are putting into your system or you are inadvertently exposed to, you will react to more things beyond. Allergies, if that makes sense.
[00:46:52] Yeah. And this is where intolerances come up when the immune system is compromised. It could, you could seemingly react or have a poor reaction to [00:47:00] numerous foods that you never reacted to before or that you didn't know you were allergic to your favorite foods. Often. Yes. Um, but we cover heaps of nuance on allergy, the difference between allergy and intolerances in our dairy and wheat episode.
[00:47:14] So also lots of links in this episode. Yeah. My God, we've done some good at stools. We have.
[00:47:21] Um, there was something else I was gonna add in there. Yeah. Oh, also, uh, ooh. What's the cause of the congestion? Because a mouth taping might be, you know, that might be more effective. Yep. By mouth taping you, you're increasing the, the circulation through the, the ICALs.
[00:47:45] The terminates in your, in your nasal passages, which produce nitric oxide, which reduces inflammation in the nasal passages, which can reduce the, um, uh, it was [00:48:00] congestion.
[00:48:00] Congestion. Yeah.
[00:48:01] Yeah.
[00:48:05] Terminates, terminates, terminates.
[00:48:07] Um. Cool. Um, and also you can have secondary infections in your nasal passengers, PA passengers.
[00:48:19] Nasal passengers. Well that's what they are is secondary infections are nasal passengers. Yeah.
[00:48:25] They're lurking in your nasal passengers Yeah. As passengers.
[00:48:28] Yeah. Re in some havoc. Yeah. And they can be fungal.
[00:48:33] Yep. Um. Or bacterial. Or bacterial. Yep. Yep. And again, just, it's just a good reminder of why it's just important to, um.
[00:48:42] Investigate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Properly. There's not one cause of one symptom, therefore there's not one solution. Corinda. Oh, don't you wish?
[00:48:51] Oh, that there was like a doctor that had like a, you know, like a, like a proper degree and they've studied [00:49:00] like health and body processes and mm-hmm. And, and, and medicines.
[00:49:07] Mm. And, and even, even like natural medicines. Don't you wish there was somebody like that who could, who could take all of the information about you and what's happening with your health? Mm. And then filter that through all of their knowledge and come up with a, like a really good quality, holistic answer
[00:49:29] that could you, is that a thing?
[00:49:33] Maybe in a perfect
[00:49:35] world,
[00:49:36] oh, well, guess what, folks? You don't have to keep dreaming about that perfect world because that is what a naturopath happens. We're here and we are naturopaths, and we want to help you. That was a great segue, Julie, into just a, into just the little shout. Shout out to naturopaths and like shout out to the work that we do.
[00:49:56] Thank you.
[00:49:56] Thank you. Far out. Well, I just keep seeing [00:50:00] people, you know, in chemists Yeah. In the, you know, the aisles and aisles of these natural products and they're seeking answers and they're self prescribing. Yep. And they're really lost. And I think if the world understood that naturopaths existed, so many more people would come and see us and not spend $1 million buying things they don't need.
[00:50:28] Yep. In inappropriate doses. And we could just like, cut through all of that and take them to where they need to be. Yeah, yeah. Yep. It was a bit of a rant really. Wasn, wasn't it Mo Good though, I think. I
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[00:51:20] Suit you. Absolutely.
[00:51:22] Yeah. We, we know our, we know our bounds, we know what we can help with.
[00:51:25] And you might come to us with a condition or a set of symptoms and we, it might be a kind of case where we're like, look, there's, we, we can't, I mean, we certainly don't claim to cure anything, but like, look, that's gonna take a lot of investigation. Or, or there's maybe there's some gray area of like, issues that we can't touch, but we can support you in X, y, and Z way.
[00:51:48] Yeah. Which can improve your quality of life or we can focus on preventing further whatever it is, you know. Yeah. Um. There's usually always something we can do.
[00:51:58] Oh, absolutely. But the
[00:51:59] connection call is [00:52:00] great to make sure that we're on the same page. Like, what are you seeking? Yeah. What, what sort of result are you seeking?
[00:52:05] What would, what is your desired experience of health and where can we fit into that journey for you? Mm. Yeah. Mm. Um, yeah, I didn't wanna, so nature's Ozempic, PGX. Now you've heard of PGX? No. Yeah, no, neither. Um, it is, oh, poly glyco plax. And I say it like that 'cause the X is capitalized. It's a highly purified water-soluble polysaccharide complex manufactured using the proprietary en varo simplex process.
[00:52:34] Cognac manon from a more faas cognac con root cognac spelled K-O-N-G-A-J-A-C.
[00:52:48] Okay.
[00:52:49] Cognac.
[00:52:50] Is that the pronunciation? Because I, I've always called it kja, but I could, the, the, the yay could be silent. [00:53:00] Is this the
[00:53:00] equivalent of like, people walking into the shop saying, can I have jojoba oil?
[00:53:04] Jojoba oil? Yeah.
[00:53:05] Maybe because I thought it was Japanese.
[00:53:10] Oh, okay. Okay. Here we go. Yep. It is Japanese
[00:53:20] drum roll. Oh, I'm doing the camera. Yeah. The, oh, it doesn't have the pronunciation, does it? Duck here is terrible. Refer refers with gy, low calorie, Japanese word vegetable, using various dishes and known for its health benefits. That's very sexy. So Japanese of this word is pronounced ku. Ku, ku
[00:53:53] I say, so you were right.
[00:53:55] Okay. Well I wasn't adding the you at the end, but I, I really didn't know it was Japanese. [00:54:00] Oz Honestly, Ozempic could be a whole Sorry. Could, and do we want to touch it?
[00:54:05] Um, well, yeah, I, I look, I, you know that I would be very, very happy to go down that rabbit hole, but I'm doing that separately on another podcast. Yeah. But that doesn't mean that we can't have a conversation about it 'cause it's huge.
[00:54:18] Huge. Well no, I think that's a
[00:54:19] great tap. I think that's a great, yeah. Keep an eye on um, what Julie's gonna share 'cause Yeah. It is huge and it's kind of like just, it's kind of got a grip on everyone's consciousness and there's good reason for
[00:54:30] it. Yeah. Like I'm generally pharmaceutical drugs I try and avoid, but this is a drug that is exceptional.
[00:54:40] Yeah. When you consider the problem of. Um, of overweight and obesity in the world and how difficult it is to lose weight. Yeah. And the stigma and all of the mental health problems and, and you know, all of the stuff we've covered before in previous episodes.
[00:54:56] Yep.
[00:54:56] Um, and these, and they, these drugs, these [00:55:00] drugs, these GLP ones have benefits outside and independent of the weight loss.
[00:55:07] Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So for improving cardiovascular, um, disease outcomes. Yep. Um, uh, lowering inflammation. Yep. Um, I can't remember the others off the top of my head because I've gone blank, but there are multiple other benefits, so they really are quite remarkable what they're doing. However, some people like me.
[00:55:30] Can get really, really bad side effects. Yeah. And you gotta be aware of that. Yeah. And I think perhaps I, I just wasn't doing some things correctly. Interesting. Mm. But that's, we'll, we'll touch on that
[00:55:44] and I'm excited to hear more. Yes. In, uh, Julie Julie's, uh, solo podcasts,
[00:55:49] nature's nex. Im, yeah. Can we, can we just quickly touch on that mastic gum? I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that, but that's not the only [00:56:00] thing, and it's not the same action as nexium and like, you know, and what's causing the, the reflux in the first place? Yeah. You know, like, can we, can we, can we go to the root cause?
[00:56:10] Yeah, yeah. Yes. The symptom relief is really important, but don't just take mastic gum for the rest of your life, you know? No, no,
[00:56:18] no. Yeah. Great. That's a great reminder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And may I shout out myself? I don't, I haven't really done any, we haven't shared clinic wins on the podcast, like recently at all.
[00:56:28] Oh, yeah. It's something we sort of did earlier. Um, yeah. I had a patient who was taking eight to 10 Nexium a day.
[00:56:39] Oh no,
[00:56:40] I'm four years,
[00:56:43] no.
[00:56:44] At the doc. And, and still had reflux. Prescribed it? Yes. And then was using the gum version of it that, that like gavascon gum that they've now got. Oh. Throughout the day.
[00:56:54] Wow. Within one and a half weeks of a [00:57:00] gut powder that I put him on. I was like, look, we need to get you off the Nexium. Are you, are you willing to go cold turkey? Yep, yep, yep. He was so open to, it went cold turkey had a little bit of reflux for a couple of days,
[00:57:14] which is just a rebound. Yes. But he was already getting
[00:57:17] reflux anyway, all the time anyway.
[00:57:19] Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
[00:57:20] A week and a bit on the powder. No reflux at all. Wow. No need for next him. He could not believe it. Wow. Address the root cause. Address the root cause. Support the guy. Oh, yeah. So celebrating that was a, that was just one of those really satisfying wins. Oh, fantastic. Um, the app is now saying low battery warning.
[00:57:39] Okay. Okay. All right.
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